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and when they did that, and as soon as they did that, they love the election. they would have won the election had it come due before and they would have won that had they stuck to it but they didn't do it. but the debt ceiling has to be agreed to. they have the cards i just don't think they know it, unfortunately. they should get everything they want based on the debt ceiling alone. >> explain it to me. suppose the republicans dug their heels in the ground and said they refuse to raise the debt ceiling. how would that empower them? >> well, the government, i mean unfortunately, as it almost has anyway, would come to a total standstill. with the debt ceiling coming due in another month from now, they should make that part of the debate. the president is going to have to do something about the debt ceiling. he has always been concerned about it and what is going to happen because obviously they need a lift in the debt ceiling. i always said and i it to you, it should not have been allowed to happen after the election. if it happened before the election the repub
and when they did that, and as soon as they did that, they love the election. they would have won the election had it come due before and they would have won that had they stuck to it but they didn't do it. but the debt ceiling has to be agreed to. they have the cards i just don't think they know it, unfortunately. they should get everything they want based on the debt ceiling alone. >> explain it to me. suppose the republicans dug their heels in the ground and said they refuse to raise...
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. >> we just had an election where president obama ran on that. we increased our majority in the senate with democratic candidates who said that to solve this problem the wealthiest americans have to pay their fair share, too. so -- if the republicans will not agree with that, we will reach a point at the end of the year where all of the tax cuts expire and we will start over next year and whatever we do will be a tax cut for whatever package we put together. >> when senator murray first said that there is a lot of -- anger on the gop saying she's willing to take us over the fiscal cliff. even some democrats said it was too early to have that mindset. but it seems to be that's what a lot of democrats would now like to see so they can get the 250 number or bell go they certainly don't see the harm necessarily in this happening. or at least the downside doesn't necessarily -- outweigh the positives which is, as you described is the tax cut on the wealthiest earners at a certain threshold. i think that will is a difference between the two sides wanti
. >> we just had an election where president obama ran on that. we increased our majority in the senate with democratic candidates who said that to solve this problem the wealthiest americans have to pay their fair share, too. so -- if the republicans will not agree with that, we will reach a point at the end of the year where all of the tax cuts expire and we will start over next year and whatever we do will be a tax cut for whatever package we put together. >> when senator murray...
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. >>> and the 2012 election was all about viral videos, tonight we're counting down our favorite political video of the year. let's go "outfront." >>> i'm john avalon in for erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a stark warning from capitol hill. senate majority leader harry reid says we're all headed for fiscal disaster. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left before the first of the year, aren't here. >> we're now told the house will finally return to work on sunday. now, that's december 30th. in other words, less than 48 hours before we go over the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, president obama cut his hawaii vacation short to return to washington today. but has he been working on a deal? "outfront" tonight, reports from both ends of pennsylvania avenue. chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin, and senior congressional correspondent, dana bash. jessica, first, to you, the president's back in washington, wheels down. he left his christmas vacation early. but was this just a bit of
. >>> and the 2012 election was all about viral videos, tonight we're counting down our favorite political video of the year. let's go "outfront." >>> i'm john avalon in for erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a stark warning from capitol hill. senate majority leader harry reid says we're all headed for fiscal disaster. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives, as we speak, with...
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>> well, all elected governments are-- their hands are always tied by the social morees and cultural constriction of that country, their own country and india is a thriving democracy but it is also very conservative. and there are many traditions which would prevent those kibsd of things that from happening. so i think it's great that we have female leaders right now, the head of the governing party in india is a woman but that doesn't mean that she can make her only issue that of women's issues. if the rest of the government isn't going to follow along, india's government is very constricted in many ways from what it can do. so unfortunately this hasn't been made a big case, a big issue of yet so far but i actually think that this could be the time. i think that this case could give an opening. >> well, news from singapore of the young woman's death after the gang rape broke during the middle of the night in the india. so indians in their millions will awake to the news that the woman has died. have we crossed a threshold. is this an issue that simply can't be put back in the bottle
>> well, all elected governments are-- their hands are always tied by the social morees and cultural constriction of that country, their own country and india is a thriving democracy but it is also very conservative. and there are many traditions which would prevent those kibsd of things that from happening. so i think it's great that we have female leaders right now, the head of the governing party in india is a woman but that doesn't mean that she can make her only issue that of women's...
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republicans elected on holding the line on taxes and cut spend having a good argument saying i won't support something that does nothing about entitlement. >> a political issue. you vote against tax cuts. >> it doesn't matter in principle. but occasionmfully truth -- >> yes, it does. >> republicans are against raising taxes. you will have 150 house republicans vote for it. something like that. if it's high enough. over $500,000. >> with the incremental raising of the threshold you will get republican votes. >> sure you will. the won with plan "b" of bane bay he couldn't -- boehner he couldn't get enough republicans. he had 150 republicans out of 240 and he couldn't get to 218 or what they needed. to pass it. president obama has an odd negotiating style. if you get near negotiation deal he raises the anti. that is what he did. everyone was optimistic in november how soon they would get a deal and agree on one. he comes in after thig with a brand new offer he wants another, another stimulus package. money for a housing program. deal with debt limit. >> so both could go back to white ho
republicans elected on holding the line on taxes and cut spend having a good argument saying i won't support something that does nothing about entitlement. >> a political issue. you vote against tax cuts. >> it doesn't matter in principle. but occasionmfully truth -- >> yes, it does. >> republicans are against raising taxes. you will have 150 house republicans vote for it. something like that. if it's high enough. over $500,000. >> with the incremental raising of...
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. >>> and we count down our favorite viral videos of the 2012 election. i guarantee some of your favorites made that list. ...but he'd wait for her forever, for any reason, and would always be there with the biggest welcome home. for a love this strong, dawn only feeds him iams. compared to other leading brands, it has 50% more animal protein. ...to help keep rocky's body as strong as a love that never fades... if he ever lets her leave again. iams. keep love strong. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. a hybrid? most are just no fun to drive. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. britta olsen is my patient. i spend long hours with her checking her heart ra
. >>> and we count down our favorite viral videos of the 2012 election. i guarantee some of your favorites made that list. ...but he'd wait for her forever, for any reason, and would always be there with the biggest welcome home. for a love this strong, dawn only feeds him iams. compared to other leading brands, it has 50% more animal protein. ...to help keep rocky's body as strong as a love that never fades... if he ever lets her leave again. iams. keep love strong. ♪ ♪ [ male...
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and i have to say that i do think the only concession made since the election was boehner essentially saying we'll at least give you 800 billion-- probably go up on the rate. and i don't think the democrats did enough to draw him out on that maybe his caucus wasn't there yet and they will get there in general but i don't think there was enough saying get you this, give you this in exchange for that the president apparently at one meeting said you get nothing than that. you have to go further. >> it might be easier for john boehner if he it pass the senate. and it comes to the house and sigh look, this is the only train to dodge. >> is the only train just about the tax rates or hikes or a grander deal. >> i think it is, the president is right the extension unemployment and i think it will be the tax rates. but i think there's going to be enough matters left as well. but i think there will be enough matters left that it will force them. and that's why you want to have at least a minimum of goodwill. it will force them to have to deal with the larger issues still remainingment and they'r
and i have to say that i do think the only concession made since the election was boehner essentially saying we'll at least give you 800 billion-- probably go up on the rate. and i don't think the democrats did enough to draw him out on that maybe his caucus wasn't there yet and they will get there in general but i don't think there was enough saying get you this, give you this in exchange for that the president apparently at one meeting said you get nothing than that. you have to go further....
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he said 800 billion is what he said during the election. >> and 6 trillion. >> yeah. >> spending is not the problem. >> no, i agree with you. >> i'm sorry. >> revenue is not the problem. >> yeah. >> it's been a long week, hasn't it? >> good luck on sunday, let's see what happens and we'll have you back afterward and see what's going on. >> let's get the market reaction. eamon hinted at this, and capital growth management and brian kelly, the co-founder of shelter harbor capital. can we bring up that chart again, guys so people can understand what happened today? we are showing you a one-day chart of both the dow, all three, the dow, the nasdaq and the s&p. this is a one-day chart. so harry reid comes out and says, folks, we are going off the cliff and the markets start to tumble and tumble and tumble and tumble and then 3:00 in the afternoon you see the sharp rise up and the house is coming back the in the session on sunday night to do something. we don't know what and the markets managed to get back to flat. so ken heebner, the market seemed to care about the deal getting done. is it g
he said 800 billion is what he said during the election. >> and 6 trillion. >> yeah. >> spending is not the problem. >> no, i agree with you. >> i'm sorry. >> revenue is not the problem. >> yeah. >> it's been a long week, hasn't it? >> good luck on sunday, let's see what happens and we'll have you back afterward and see what's going on. >> let's get the market reaction. eamon hinted at this, and capital growth management and brian...
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they get elected by giving out candy. >> i agree. i think that's why we need somebody to come along, a type for fiscal policy this year in the next coming years to make the hard choices that aren't popular that will put us on a sustainable path going forward. >> craig and andy, thank you both very much. have a happy new year. >> you too. >> same to you. >>> all of this what we learned from our past is what exactly? let us check in with rick santelli at the cme. before we get into that, you and i were going back and forth in e-mail about $250,000. what people don't seem to get is 250 under clinton is not 250 today. it will capture about twice as many taxpayers. you can't make the historical reference. >> no, you're exactly right. you know, when the government deals with their public pensions and their unions, do they ever forget to inflation adjust? of course not. but look at two times they failed to. when we hear going back to the clinton tax rate of 39.6 in '93. 250 grand threshold in today's dollars will be about $165,000. a 35% mi
they get elected by giving out candy. >> i agree. i think that's why we need somebody to come along, a type for fiscal policy this year in the next coming years to make the hard choices that aren't popular that will put us on a sustainable path going forward. >> craig and andy, thank you both very much. have a happy new year. >> you too. >> same to you. >>> all of this what we learned from our past is what exactly? let us check in with rick santelli at the cme....
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before the election he asked for 800 billion. after the election, hey i won i want 1.6 billion trillion in tax hikes. this is where the political kibuki theater. we're playing small ball. we're going to hit the debt ceiling on december 31st, 6.39 trillion. we have $87 trillion in unfunded liabilities and they are arguing cutting rate of growth or savings over 10 years which won't impact one year's spending of. we're spending more with the fifth year of trillion dollars deficits ahead of us. we already spent 282 billion two months into 2013. and the small ball, do we slow the rate of growth when we should be talking about cutting spending. we should be talking about entitlements. when we should be talking about tax reform. flatting the tax code. why did dr. dre move his business dealings over to ireland? because of their low corporate tax rate. big obama supporter. for all of you people wearing beats headphones that money is going through ireland now because of that problem. heather: okay. before we get off on dr. dre, let's talk
before the election he asked for 800 billion. after the election, hey i won i want 1.6 billion trillion in tax hikes. this is where the political kibuki theater. we're playing small ball. we're going to hit the debt ceiling on december 31st, 6.39 trillion. we have $87 trillion in unfunded liabilities and they are arguing cutting rate of growth or savings over 10 years which won't impact one year's spending of. we're spending more with the fifth year of trillion dollars deficits ahead of us. we...
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there will be a new election for speaker of the house, presumably john boehner will be re-elected. there will be a different house of representatives. however, still a republican majority but a small er majorit. boehner has a newly affirmed position and perhaps the dynamic is a bit different. but, you know, then again maybe it will be the same as it's been the last couple of years. >> richard, you know what i think bothers some people bothers me. it's that there is a small segment it seems of the republican caucus in the house of representatives who were unable to accept the results of the election in 2008 and steamed to continue to be unable to accept the results of the election in 2012. thus, they feel they have a license to hold the country hostage because they don't agree with two presidential elections, which is truly, truly if you think about it enough, which i choose not to, is rather bothersome. >> it's bothersome, and it doesn't fit their own agenda. in addition to object structure things they want to keep taxes down for most americans. it's not just about the tea party re
there will be a new election for speaker of the house, presumably john boehner will be re-elected. there will be a different house of representatives. however, still a republican majority but a small er majorit. boehner has a newly affirmed position and perhaps the dynamic is a bit different. but, you know, then again maybe it will be the same as it's been the last couple of years. >> richard, you know what i think bothers some people bothers me. it's that there is a small segment it...
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guest: right after the election we heard them say the election is behind us, we can put down our swords and get down to doing the country's business. that evaporated within days and now we are back to where we were in the summer of 2011 where everyone is back in their corners blaming the other side and not making progress at all. businesses are refrenching and families are holding back on spending and it's going to have an impact on the economy. host: why is compromise so difficult in this environment? guest: the way that the pry mir system has worked has canched out the middle a little. also we're dealing with the situation where with a 24 hour news cycle they get blow back more quickly on ideas and talks so they are both afraid of the outer wings of their party and at this point it seems compromise is something that is hard to reach. >> dow is down although not a huge amount. >> right guest: right host: meeting with the president and c.e.o.'s are frustrated with lack of a deal. what impact does this have on the economy? >> they felt like they were going to get drug into a big slugfest
guest: right after the election we heard them say the election is behind us, we can put down our swords and get down to doing the country's business. that evaporated within days and now we are back to where we were in the summer of 2011 where everyone is back in their corners blaming the other side and not making progress at all. businesses are refrenching and families are holding back on spending and it's going to have an impact on the economy. host: why is compromise so difficult in this...
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and a lot of them say, eamon, i've been elected to be a check on the president and that's what a lot of this is about. >> right. this is deeply held, fundamental belief on both sides and there's a huge chasm between the two sides on these issues. and somebody's going to be a loser here if there's a deal. somebody's going to be perceived as having gotten rolled and neither side wants to be the party who got rolled here. i think both sides are looking at if fiscal cliff right now and saying, well, we could go over this thing. it wouldn't be the end of the world and that's a very different view in washington than it is on wall street. i can tell you that. >> eamon, thanks. i know you've got a long day ahead, a long afternoon as well. eamon javers in washington. >> isn't it unbelievable. you have this huge, looming problem, i'll wait until later this afternoon to deal with it. >> and the whole sequester was a way to deal with this later. and corker, i think, on some of the morning shows this morning, senator corker said the worst case today would be to set up another later deadline that
and a lot of them say, eamon, i've been elected to be a check on the president and that's what a lot of this is about. >> right. this is deeply held, fundamental belief on both sides and there's a huge chasm between the two sides on these issues. and somebody's going to be a loser here if there's a deal. somebody's going to be perceived as having gotten rolled and neither side wants to be the party who got rolled here. i think both sides are looking at if fiscal cliff right now and...
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want something to happen here and acknowledge, yes, the president had some leverage because he won the election but i thought both sides had and they were very close to a deal, gregg. that is the crazy thing here. they were very close. we had implosions in terms of the boehner leadership unable to hold his troops together. gregg: right. >> these guys are close. i think at this point, part of the negotiating dynamic is if we get close to the i have cliff you can get the troops to line up behind you and say, don't do it. that is terrible for the american people. that is bad way to run the government. gregg: mary katherine, no way to run a government but we've been saying that for 200 years. and i have too. but, mary katherine, look, what does it say about boehner's leadership, when he can't even get a vote on his own plan? >> no, i think that was a good opportunity for republicans to pass something. i think many of them made a mistake in foiling that plan because i think it was a decent one that had good points even though they obviously didn't get everything they wanted. i still think this could
want something to happen here and acknowledge, yes, the president had some leverage because he won the election but i thought both sides had and they were very close to a deal, gregg. that is the crazy thing here. they were very close. we had implosions in terms of the boehner leadership unable to hold his troops together. gregg: right. >> these guys are close. i think at this point, part of the negotiating dynamic is if we get close to the i have cliff you can get the troops to line up...
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. >> 2012 is coming to an end and the year was fill would with a ton of news from the presidential election to the newton shooting. as we say hello to 2013. we want to know what you think the top stories of year. head over to fox friends first . there is two polls to vote on one is for 2012 and lighter side entertainment stories of the year . we will reveal the results live on monday, new year's eve if you can believe it or not. i can't believe it is new year's eve. "fox and friends" first starts right now. have a great day. >> julia: good morning. i am julia hedy in from gretchen. last call in hopes of rescuing off of the fiscal cliff. all that is getting debated is who is at fault and what is the president's plan. according to the white house there is no new proposal. >> and is russia vladimir putin playing with children's lives . what he just did. >>> and the newspapers that published the names of licensed gun owners. fox and friends starts right now. ♪ >> julia: hello, everybody. >> three days left. three days left before we go head first over the fiscal cliff. >> julia: before we tal
. >> 2012 is coming to an end and the year was fill would with a ton of news from the presidential election to the newton shooting. as we say hello to 2013. we want to know what you think the top stories of year. head over to fox friends first . there is two polls to vote on one is for 2012 and lighter side entertainment stories of the year . we will reveal the results live on monday, new year's eve if you can believe it or not. i can't believe it is new year's eve. "fox and...